Over the last few weeks we have watched the people who have gathered at the Occupy Wall Street protests and been mildly entertained and at other times horrified by the comments coming from attendees.
This video is not an isolated event as there are many others that equal it in message and tone.
Now having seen this little taste of the Occupy Wall Street gathering we can all be sure that most would remain indifferent and hands off to it’s occurance right? Nope, just in last night the following press release was issued by non other than Arizona’s own CD7 US Representative Raul Grijalva.
Thanks Raul we can always count on you to do the right thing……..
Each has a different prospective and non have the same vision or a plan, most don’t work or want to work for a living (the far left) is taking advantage on this so called movement. Look at all the trash around them, who is going to clean up after them, they won’t! I guess we will have to pay someone to clean up after them, you know that is the progressive way. The progressives are trying to create an environment that would allow the President to declare Marshal Law and cancel the elections and may be worse?
Interestingly at the same time the NYC Protest was taking place there was a similar protest taking place here in ABQ, NM. What is even more interesting is that both were almost exactly alike in comments and spokes person. For what its worth I believe that this was a well orchastrated attempt at showing the Tea Party as a group of zanies who are out to destroy conservative Free Markets. But then again I could be wrong…sigh… so much crap to sort through.
TEA Party??? what am I missing?
Maybe you should actually read what OWS is all about:
http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/
What part do you disagree with?
#1 – We are a REPUBLIC – not a Democracy, please look up the definition and do not go by what your “professor” told you.
#2 – Many that lost houses never should have been in them to start with – many were purchased with the GREEDY intent of making money. Part of Capitalism is that you are free to risk your money; however you are also free to lose your money on a bad gamble.
#3 – The “Declaration” is a bunch of Rambling garbage spewed by primarily Left Wing “Professors” who have job security (tenure) no matter how poorly they perform or how many lies they tell. The problem is people who want power have realized that “Useful Idiots” are under educated masses who want everyone else has earned – but they don’t want to earn it.
I just watched University of Massachusetts Economics Professor Richard Wolff on “Link TV” last night – the Man either lives in a different world, is a complete con, or just a world class LIAR. I cannot believe that this is the Garbage being fed to individuals in College. I guess if I fell for this kind of crap I would be protesting, but life’s experiences taught me to question not fall for opinions.
All of this Garbage stems from the wonderful writings of Carl Marx and his belief that Man can create a Utopian society. So far Man has failed at every attempt (you should actually LEARN history) – the ones put in power keep all of the power, take most of the money, and the useful Idiots end up dead or just poorer then when they helped start the mess.
I spent 20 years defending your right to be a fool. However I will not just sit by and watch my country torn apart by those who have done nothing other than sit around and complain. Just because the person next door EARNED a good living, does not mean that you are owed anything.
P.S. Go back to 2008 and see who Wall Street Bank rolled into office – I’ll bet that the protestors who did vote then, voted him into office.
Read the information at the link. Mortgages, debts, and those with educational loans were taken out by the individuals, weren’t they? If a person keeps paying on their debts which they obligated themselves to do, they don’t get foreclosed or sent to collections. Shouldn’t the blame for influence peddling be placed at the feet of the TAKERS of the bribes – i.e. government officials? Transactions take two parties. The Congress and other members of government TOOK the money rather than prosecuting the attempts at bribes. Once that occurs, more bribes are needed because it becomes a blackmail cycle.
The basic person will look at what information is handed them and take it at face value. The free-thinking person will peel the layers of the onion back and find out how things came to be to get to the core and source of the problem. Think analystically, please! Ask for proof, details, and information. Do not be sheeple.
Sorry – but not everyone who has lost their house is a slacker. The banksters and government allowed illegal procedures which trapped some individuals into debts they could not manage. The robo-signing of mortgage recordings is simply one example. Illegally transferred debt got bundled and re-sold and re-sold and re-sold – with no one really owning the paper. And DC politicians now want to go back and make past recordings legal and move-on. Except the people illegally thrown out of their homes have no place to go back to.
No one is saying that all debt should be “magically” forgiven – but the corporations and politicians that set up the scam should be prosecuted. They are criminals. And (all) DC politicians (republican and democrat) are allowing them to skate.
In the meantime, debt should be restructured so that those that owe can actually pay.
What other parts do you disagree with?
Many of the protesters profess to be Marxist and Socialist. If you know who you are standing with, you support them. I will not support anything other than the constitution. We never should have bailed out failing corps and banks. (Thanks Obama and spineless congress) We need to dismantle the Fed and elect responsible adults into office, we do not need to TEAR IT DOWN. If you tear it down, then comes the real suffering: Hyper inflation , poverty beyond what the average person can handle, riots, martial law and soon….civil war. What the Fed and our government has done has created this and should be held responsible, but not through suffering of the masses.
Thanks for your response. A couple of things: The Occupy protests are not about any ideology or political party or union point of view. (Yes, you will see people who visually fit the image of a Maxist or Socialist. But this is a grass roots movement and every “type” will show up. But that does NOT mean that they represent the movement.) In fact, we are not against capitalism or Wall Street. We are against corporate greed and the use of corporate money to influence our political system against you and me and the rest of us “regular” people.
I kind of expect that you might show up at Occupy Tucson on 10/15 after you read these 7 Demands which were published a couple of days ago. (From your comment above, I suspect you could be the author. :>)
By Jason Hamlin, on October 3rd, 2011 http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/7-demands-from-occupy-wall-street/
1) End the Collusion Between Government and Large Corporations/Banks, So That Our Elected Leaders Are Actually Representing the Interests of the People (the 99%) and Not Just Their Rich Donors (the 1%).
2) Investigate Wall Street and Hold Senior Executives Accountable for the Destruction in Wealth that has Devastated Millions of People.
3) Return the Power of Coining Money to the U.S. Treasury and Return to Sound Money
4) Limit the Size, Scope and Power of Banks so that None are Ever Again “Too Big to Fail” and in Need of Taxpayer Bailouts
5) Eliminate “Personhood” Legal Status for Corporations
6) Repeal the Patriot Act, End the War on Drugs and Protect Civil Liberties
7) End the Imperial Wars of Aggression, Bring the Troops Home from All Countries, Cut the Military Budget and Limit The Military Role to Protection of the Homeland
You may/probably don’t agree with all 7 points but if you agree with even half of them, then you and I are on the same page. That’s a start!
Hey, if you do come to the Occupy Tucson event, let me know. I’d love to continue this conversation and I know that it can only result in positive agreement on some fundamental issues facing our country. We both want the same thing, my friend.
One thing that is missing from 1) is unions. They are by far the biggest contributor to elections and paid for by tax dollars, public sector of course. That money directly influences legislation and election because they work for the government and with the government. I want no outside money to influence government. No more earmarks, no more pork filled unconstitutional bills. If a candidate wishes to run, it should be all private funding and set at a low amount, or cap the funds lower.
This comment was posted on FB today…thought you might like it:
“If you can find common ground in those sentiments, get thee to an occupation and stand with your fellow Americans. The last thing the parties want is for us to find common ground. If you are itching to make a difference and put the fear of god in your elected representatives of either party, join an occupation.”
It’s true – the last thing any of the political organizations want is for the rest of us to find common ground. But when we do then we can talk and discuss and, yes argue, about how best to achieve the results that we ALL want.
There was no mentione of “slacker.” You have still not answered my question. If a person accepts the terms of a loan under their own free will, and enters into that contract, are the not obligated to keep their end of the bargain up or suffer the consequences? Say I have the money, and I loan it to you for a home and you fail to meet the contractural, mutually agreed upon elements of it, why should I take back the home and do the best I can to redeem my investment? People in the country are given public education so they can read and write. If they make a bad deal, so be it. You want to indicate that paper was sold and mortgages paperwork disapeared. That was not in all cases. The fact is that the obligation, even without a scratch of paper, is still a contract. The occupants had the value and service of the home until THEY defaulted. There were several remodification opportunties made available so adjust the terms of the mortgages. Were there cases where people who did pay their mortgages that had property foreclosed? If you do some investigative research, you will find the government directed the banks to lend to specific types of people and to report back the statistics that they had complied. It was similar to the hiring requirements of the EEOC statistics even today where diversity has to be reported. Any one of the people who were offered loans and knew the deal as too good to be true still chose to take the deal. No one is faultless here however stipulating that all loans of all kinds are forgiven is not rational. Where is the fairness and justice for those who paid their bills on time and in full? I look at all the gear and electronic toys the people in the OWS are carrying. How would they like someone to tell them to hand over their fancy phone and camera because it was time to share the wealth to someone who didn’t have a phone or camera.
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The vid is crude, where do people like that come from?
Sorry but the list of demands is long and varied, everyone has their own idea it seems. One list of demands called for an across the board forgiveness of debt for everyone, free college tuition for all, closing every nuclear power plant, and paying every working-age American a $20/hr minimum wage whether they were actually working or not.
No and no. The OWS is devolving into a frenzied mish-mash of mini interest groups who seem to have one thing in common: It’s someone else’s fault that I’m not rich.
I would like to become involved in Occupy Tucson. Please contact me at jbleonard@hotmail.com
NO officials at OWS or Occupy Tucson are recommending that all debt be forgiven. That is just not true. If you’re reading something it is an individual POV that has not been adopted by the overall effort.
(I am a retired real estate attorney and you are wrong that an real estate obligation without a scrap of paper is still a contract. That why judges make rulings based on the “four corners” of the contract.)
You can take the extremes that you can (will) find in the so-called free-press and use it to support any argument you want. In point of fact, that’s what has been done to your own movement (Tea Party) to make some of you look like idiots. BUT, I prefer to think that you and I (not a member of the Tea Party) actually have some common ground upon which to build solutions to help all Americans. No, I am not advocating free-anything. I’ve worked long and hard for my life and I expect everyone to at least make the same effort. But when those that do are harmed by the greed of just a few, then it’s time for me – and you, my friend – to say “That’s not right. That’s not what Americas is all about.” That is what OWs and Occupy Tucson is about. Join us and add your voices and opinions. Please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RabCAUl73zc&feature=player_embedded
Then explain away this.
You’re kidding – right? That is the silliest thing I have ever seen. You simply cannot be serious.
Well, Tea Partiers, how does it feel to be visibly in the minority again? Not that you were ever more than a fringe of the Republican Party, whose operatives gobbled you up and turned you into shills, for the very big banks and against social programs like Social Security, banks that you initially reviled for their bailouts and social programs that you defended to the death. What a bunch of crybabies and whiners, to use terms you like to throw around, people whose slacks aren’t torn but whose hearts are, protecting the 1% who laugh at you like the stooges you have become, ever willing to take on the role of plantation slave, your whole life lived mainly in buildings owned by the 1%, making things for companies owned by the 1%, buying things from companies in China in cahoots with the 1%, and paying taxes up the ying-yang to make up for those who, though they earn 40% or more of the national wealth, pay taxes that are maybe 10% or 15% of what they earn while you pay 25% or 35% … suckahs. Yeah, be bitter because other people don’t sit around being victimized but stand up for you and me and everyone who’s not one of the 1. Knock them. Put them down. The hedge fund managers and bankers are laughing at you. You’re doing their bidding. You don’t know any other way.